Tuesday, March 14, 2006

Chapter and verse, please

I need a chapter and verse to validate the books we use in our present canon of the Bible. Anybody got one?

Anybody have a chapter and verse proving that Christ was the same substance as the Father? Or that he had two natures in one person?

Anybody have a chapter and verse telling me that the marriage between two of the same gender would be immoral (after all, wasn't Paul just condemning pre-martial sodomy?)? Or a chapter and verse telling me that Christians (as long as they are not the pastor) should not be polygamists? Or a chapter and verse telling me that married couples should not have relations in public? Or a chapter and verse telling me what immodesty is? Or giving me the definition of reverence?

Does anyone have a chapter and verse telling me that I need a chapter and verse?

9 Comments:

Blogger Michael Riley said...

Can I just link to this post from every discussion that I'm currently involved in? It would save me a tremendous amount of typing.

3/14/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan Martin said...

Sure!

Just link it sparingly, please. We like to keep out the riff-raff around here.

3/14/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger Greg Linscott said...

If you think this post conclusively proves that you don't need chapter and verse, than you have the IQ of houseplants.

Houseplants, I say! HOUSEPLANTS!

(pant pant)

I'm better now.

Good point. Seriously.

3/14/2006 05:41:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan Martin said...

I am sure that all of us have now thoroughly baffled all who are not so keenly on the inside track of the fundamentalist blogging.

3/14/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous nathan said...

Although, if you give me a chapter and verse, I may just explain it away with a principle.

3/14/2006 08:26:00 PM  
Blogger fitzage said...

Good point, Ryan.

While explicit statements in Scripture are surely to be followed, one cannot demand a chapter and verse that explicitly states every Biblical principle.

I often see people saying "give me a chapter and verse" after they have been giving a very compelling biblical argument against their view.

Ironically, it is often these same people who create arguments from principles that ignore clear Scripture references when the shoe is on the other foot.

3/14/2006 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Billy Bob said...

Logically connected verses are also OK. But just expecting people to believe that you are recieving new revelation from God is not OK. You don't have apostolic authority.

If this is a response to your "against P&W" posts, you need to connect a few more things than just quoting verses showing that we should treat God respectfully. You have to somehow support your presupposition that other types of worship are not respectful.

3/15/2006 01:13:00 AM  
Blogger fitzage said...

Another thing.

People who demand "chapter and verse" are often the ones who develop their theology based on "proof texts" at the expense of the context in which those texts are found.

When confronted about this with verses that are used in context, they usually accuse the confronter of using the "proof text" model.

3/15/2006 07:14:00 AM  
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Tuesday, March 14, 2006

Chapter and verse, please

I need a chapter and verse to validate the books we use in our present canon of the Bible. Anybody got one?

Anybody have a chapter and verse proving that Christ was the same substance as the Father? Or that he had two natures in one person?

Anybody have a chapter and verse telling me that the marriage between two of the same gender would be immoral (after all, wasn't Paul just condemning pre-martial sodomy?)? Or a chapter and verse telling me that Christians (as long as they are not the pastor) should not be polygamists? Or a chapter and verse telling me that married couples should not have relations in public? Or a chapter and verse telling me what immodesty is? Or giving me the definition of reverence?

Does anyone have a chapter and verse telling me that I need a chapter and verse?

9 Comments:

Blogger Michael Riley said...

Can I just link to this post from every discussion that I'm currently involved in? It would save me a tremendous amount of typing.

3/14/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan Martin said...

Sure!

Just link it sparingly, please. We like to keep out the riff-raff around here.

3/14/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger Greg Linscott said...

If you think this post conclusively proves that you don't need chapter and verse, than you have the IQ of houseplants.

Houseplants, I say! HOUSEPLANTS!

(pant pant)

I'm better now.

Good point. Seriously.

3/14/2006 05:41:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan Martin said...

I am sure that all of us have now thoroughly baffled all who are not so keenly on the inside track of the fundamentalist blogging.

3/14/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous nathan said...

Although, if you give me a chapter and verse, I may just explain it away with a principle.

3/14/2006 08:26:00 PM  
Blogger fitzage said...

Good point, Ryan.

While explicit statements in Scripture are surely to be followed, one cannot demand a chapter and verse that explicitly states every Biblical principle.

I often see people saying "give me a chapter and verse" after they have been giving a very compelling biblical argument against their view.

Ironically, it is often these same people who create arguments from principles that ignore clear Scripture references when the shoe is on the other foot.

3/14/2006 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Billy Bob said...

Logically connected verses are also OK. But just expecting people to believe that you are recieving new revelation from God is not OK. You don't have apostolic authority.

If this is a response to your "against P&W" posts, you need to connect a few more things than just quoting verses showing that we should treat God respectfully. You have to somehow support your presupposition that other types of worship are not respectful.

3/15/2006 01:13:00 AM  
Blogger fitzage said...

Another thing.

People who demand "chapter and verse" are often the ones who develop their theology based on "proof texts" at the expense of the context in which those texts are found.

When confronted about this with verses that are used in context, they usually accuse the confronter of using the "proof text" model.

3/15/2006 07:14:00 AM  
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