Monday, March 13, 2006

More Bible verses against the use of P&W

"See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise." - Ephesians 5:15

5 Comments:

Blogger Larry said...

Ryan, my friend, after reading several of these posts about verses "against the use of P&W," I can't seem to find the relevance. I know someone asked you and you declined to answer anything but that you were for "reverence" in worship. I think we all are in favor of reverence, even the P&W crowd, of which I am not a part. However, I am curious as to whether or not these arguments or Scriptures you are posting can actually be considered proof against P&W. Shouldn't we raise the bar of argumentation?

I think we should. I think it is arguments like these that harm our position rather than help it.

3/13/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan Martin said...

I'm not sure what you mean, Larry. I am not really providing any arguments. I am putting up Scripture that inform my views on P&W. After all, is that not what the constant cry today is: "show me a chapter and verse"? I would think that this service I am rendering would be considered invaluable.

Perhaps you can help "our position" by citing the Scripture on your blog that you would use against P&W.

3/13/2006 04:48:00 PM  
Blogger Larry said...

Not to go down a path if you would rather not, so feel free to edit my comments, but as I read these verses, I see nothing in them that informs my view of P&W. They inform my view about the nature of God, and that has ramifications for P&W to be sure, but not apart from demonstrating that, it seems to me.

To cite these verses as "against the use of P&W" without showing how they are "against the use of P&W" leaves a lot of people scratching their heads, it seems to me. Because I am quite sure they don't disagree with those verses.

I was simply wondering what point you were trying to make since it was unexplained.

No problem ...

3/13/2006 07:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Billy Bob said...

Perhaps you can help "our position" by citing the Scripture on your blog that you would use against P&W.

This is exactly the wrong methodology. It is illogical to start with an extra-biblical conclusion, and then expect to find clear biblical support.

3/14/2006 06:37:00 AM  
Blogger Ryan Martin said...

"illogical"?

3/14/2006 07:21:00 AM  

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Monday, March 13, 2006

More Bible verses against the use of P&W

"See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise." - Ephesians 5:15

5 Comments:

Blogger Larry said...

Ryan, my friend, after reading several of these posts about verses "against the use of P&W," I can't seem to find the relevance. I know someone asked you and you declined to answer anything but that you were for "reverence" in worship. I think we all are in favor of reverence, even the P&W crowd, of which I am not a part. However, I am curious as to whether or not these arguments or Scriptures you are posting can actually be considered proof against P&W. Shouldn't we raise the bar of argumentation?

I think we should. I think it is arguments like these that harm our position rather than help it.

3/13/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan Martin said...

I'm not sure what you mean, Larry. I am not really providing any arguments. I am putting up Scripture that inform my views on P&W. After all, is that not what the constant cry today is: "show me a chapter and verse"? I would think that this service I am rendering would be considered invaluable.

Perhaps you can help "our position" by citing the Scripture on your blog that you would use against P&W.

3/13/2006 04:48:00 PM  
Blogger Larry said...

Not to go down a path if you would rather not, so feel free to edit my comments, but as I read these verses, I see nothing in them that informs my view of P&W. They inform my view about the nature of God, and that has ramifications for P&W to be sure, but not apart from demonstrating that, it seems to me.

To cite these verses as "against the use of P&W" without showing how they are "against the use of P&W" leaves a lot of people scratching their heads, it seems to me. Because I am quite sure they don't disagree with those verses.

I was simply wondering what point you were trying to make since it was unexplained.

No problem ...

3/13/2006 07:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Billy Bob said...

Perhaps you can help "our position" by citing the Scripture on your blog that you would use against P&W.

This is exactly the wrong methodology. It is illogical to start with an extra-biblical conclusion, and then expect to find clear biblical support.

3/14/2006 06:37:00 AM  
Blogger Ryan Martin said...

"illogical"?

3/14/2006 07:21:00 AM  

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